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O pai do Kawhi deve ser um chimpanze, simples assim, vai ter mao grande assim na los quintos hein...

O cara é definitivamente parente de chimpanze não tem como ter as mãos enormes desse jeito ai não...
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Só nao ganha da mao do Oden... :valca:
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Quem diz tamanho não é documento, um dia ainda fará exame da próstata...
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Cruzes, parece aquelas aranhas vitaminadas que aparecem em e-mails de tempo em tempo.
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SI.com escreveu:LAS VEGAS -- The desert heat changes everything here, so it's hard to tell whether Kawhi Leonard dripping sweat five minutes into his morning workout is truly a sign that he's grinding harder than the others.
But facts are facts, and the only difference between the guy in braids and the other half-dozen players on the floor is the lather that he has going and that they do not. The drill itself doesn't look all that taxing -- dribble drive from halfcourt to the elbow extended, where the body double for Rudy stands with a tackle pad and offers a gentle bump, then finish the play either at the rim or with a mid-range jumper. It's the up-and-back, full-court sprints in between turns where Leonard is spiking his heart rate.
The cardio element in the drill came courtesy of trainer Joe Abunassar, the guru at this Impact Basketball Academy who is often asked to take the already-solid game of NBA draft prospects to new heights in, oh, six or eight weeks. It's an insane concept, really, the idea that young men who have already decided that they are good enough to be professionals can elevate their stock by legitimately improving in less than the span of a summer.
But Leonard, the 6-foot-7 small forward out of San Diego State who decided to leave the Aztecs after his sophomore season back when he was slated as a mid to late first-round pick, has done just that. And when June 23 rolls around, the gritty work ethic for which he is known just might have helped him become a top-10 talent.
The release is higher and quicker on his shot now than it was in March, when he was at the forefront of San Diego State's historic Sweet 16 run and 34-3 record while leading the team in scoring (15.5 points per game) and rebounds (10.6). Thus, another red flag is put away by some NBA executives who wondered if there was limited potential to his outside game.
Leonard's shooting-guard skills have been refined, an absolute necessity considering his "tweener" status when it comes to size. His technique has improved on ball-screens, with the new Leonard coming off tighter and finding the airspace for a quality shot after so many years of the old Leonard going wide and wacky. This is subtle but significant stuff, and the coaches who boast more than 100 NBA clients as part of their "alumni" claim that Leonard's drive -- his "motor" as it's more commonly known -- still stands out among the rest.
"There's nobody who's more focused and more serious about what he's doing than Kawhi," Impact director of player development Andrew Moore said. "He's just a pure basketball guy. He loves shooting, loves working out, loves one-on-one, loves defending. He comes in every day and there's no sideshow, nothing else going on.
"[His motor] is more than I ever expected. As a training facility, the one thing we can't really teach is a motor, the want and desire. And he's off the charts. That's why he's been able to get so much better and make the necessary changes for the NBA that he had to in such a short time, because he has that fire, he has that motor."
That singular focus on the game is overwhelmingly evident during a day spent watching Leonard and picking his 19-year-old brain. Ask him about his story -- including the most publicized part of his tale, the tragic murder of his father three years ago -- and he obliges with polite responses but very little passion. Inquire about the hype that surrounds him and his rising stock in the draft, and he acts as if he couldn't find his way onto the Internet to read the latest chatter if he tried.
But give him an excuse to talk about this game, to break down the kind of player he is and what he wants to become, and the youngster from Moreno Valley, Calif. suddenly sounds like Steve Kerr on the latest TNT broadcast.
"Keeping my follow through on my shot is big right now, and the three-point shot -- quick release, catch and shoot, just having confidence, making sure the arc of my ball is straight, my release point is good, staying low coming off ball screens, running situations when players are open when you come off ball screens," he says while lying on a table and receiving treatment on the ankle that has been sore of late. "Just my overall game. I'm trying to just work on everything so I can fit right in with a team. That's the type of player I want to be, someone you can put on the floor and they do it all ... I'm just working on every part of my game, trying to be a great overall player. Basketball is basically my whole life."
It really is that simple now, even if it wasn't back on Jan. 19, 2008.
Until that day, the Compton car wash that was owned by Kawhi's father, 43-year-old Mark Leonard, was a cherished place for both him and his son. They spent weekend days there together, the kind of time that a young man with four older sisters needs when his parents aren't together and he lives with his mother. But a killer who has still not been found gunned Mark Leonard down that night, and a life that had been so smooth to that point was forever changed.
"The biggest tragedy was his dad," said Kim Robertson, the mother of Kawhi and two of his sisters who works as a sales agent for Amtrak. "Other than that, everything was fine. He never suffered, never needed anything. That was his biggest tragedy, and mine as well."
Yet any questions about how Leonard would handle it were answered the next day, when he decided to play in a game between his Riverside King team and Compton Dominguez. He scored 17 points in a loss, then -- according to reports at the time -- cried in his mother's arms just after the final buzzer sounded.
The feelings aren't so raw anymore, but the approach remains the same. Basketball is the emotional outlet, the focus, the reasons for his competitive fire.
"I'm thinking [that] he's come to grips with what has happened [to his father]," Robertson said. "This is reality. My dad is gone, but his memory is always going to be there. He's always going to be thinking about him. When he achieves something, he's going to look up in the air and make a gesture to his dad. I think he's gotten over the fact that he is gone and that he can move on, but they were really close. I know he really would love for his dad to be here watching him."
Leonard appears to have handled the loss as well as one could imagine. He is known to be the independent sort, with no one in his circle having to push him to head for the gym or break down more NBA game film as a way to study up on his future colleagues. He speaks to his mother by phone a couple times a week, and occasionally chats with his closest sister, 31-year-old Miesha.
When Leonard becomes a pro, he plans on having his mother live with him. In truth, however, the decision sounds as if it has as much to do with her as it does with him. He is her youngest, and there is about to be quite a void in her schedule after spending the last two years attending Aztecs home games.
"I don't want my mom to be home alone," Leonard said. "I just feel like it's going to be a good thing for me. I'm still young, 19 years old, so having my mom there is going to make me more comfortable. I love my mom, so I'm not going to tell her not to move in with me."
Leonard is his own man in Las Vegas -- his agent, Brian Elfus, says he'd be surprised to learn he'd even been on the Strip. When he's not visiting individual teams, Leonard drives himself to and from the condominium he is staying in for two workouts per day. This is already a job to him, albeit one that he views a bit differently from some in light of what he has been through.
"[His father's death] probably forced me to grow up faster," he said. "I don't feel lost in life, but probably more focused in life, just knowing that you can't take each day for granted. Just living every day to the fullest and work your hardest each day because tomorrow might not be there. Life moves on if my stock is high or if it's low. There's still life after basketball."
Make no mistake, though. The idea that Leonard can live a lucrative life centered on basketball is enough to bring a smile to his stoic face.
Impressive numbers and all (among them the 40 double-doubles in two seasons, ranking him second in school history behind Michael Cage's 61), much of Leonard's NBA appeal is on the defensive end. He insists he can guard anyone but a center, and his wingspan (7-3), reach (8-10), and the enormous size of his hands (said to be 11 3/8 inches from the tip of his pinkie to the tip of his thumb while outstretched) have intrigued scouts and executives alike.
Sources say Toronto is interested enough to strongly consider taking him with the No. 5 pick depending on how the first four picks unfold, and there is similarly strong interest from Washington at No. 6, Sacramento at No. 7 and Charlotte at No. 9. Leonard, who worked out in Sacramento on Friday, said he's headed to Detroit (No. 8) for a workout on Monday before going to Milwaukee (No. 10).
There is more work to be done now. He's past the blood and mostly done with the tears, but plenty of sweat lies ahead.
"I know I have some work to do still, but I'm not scared at all," Leonard said. "It's just basketball. You've just got to play your heart out. If you do that, then you should be satisfied with yourself. ... You're not about to die. Life still moves on after the game."
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uma pena porque a história do muleque é emocionante.
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^se no comeco da historia estive escrito "by John Trolliger", taleco iria nao somente ler, como imprimir e encadernar em capa dura.
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Por falar nisso Tales, vc tem acesso a este texto aqui

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft201 ... ter-110620

se tiver posta ai pra gente, nem que seja la na seção do draft.
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Draft Rater: Who will be good in pros?

By John Hollinger

It's a fool's errand, but let's do it anyway.

Yep, it's time for the Draft Rater. There are inherent limitations in trying to pore through a player's statistics and project what he'll be capable of five years down the road. The things the stats don't tell us -- about his dedication, eating habits, off-court life, the system his team runs, and 10,000 other things -- badly outnumber what the stats do tell us.

Yet, surprisingly, the stats seem able to tell us quite a bit. That's the premise behind the Draft Rater, my annual data-driven guide to the draft, and this year we have better clues than ever as to how it can help us and how it can't.

To review, my Draft Rater is a regression analysis comparing 16 variables to a player's NBA player efficiency rating, using the average of their top three seasons in their first seven years as a pro. Some haven't played three seasons yet or won't ever, so we take their career PER. We've also set a PER floor of 4.0 for those who couldn't make the league, and 5.0 for those who barely made it.

I've once again rebuilt it from the bottom up this year. Along with this year's revisions, the Rater was already getting smarter every year as it got more data and more NBA results from players already drafted. As a result, we can see with greater specificity which statistics translate to the pro game and which ones don't.

Second, we've seen the particular ways in which it fails. The most obvious one is on all the squishy stuff -- character, dedication, conditioning, etc. Michael Beasley, Michael Sweetney and DeMarcus Cousins all got huge marks from the Draft Rater, but one could justify passing on them on draft day given the other red flags. Similarly, we don't have a good measure for injury-proneness either -- Curtis Borchardt, Brandan Wright and Greg Oden, take a bow.

But more particularly, in back testing this year's Draft Rater, it's become obvious where it succeeds and where it falters. To wit:

• One-and-done gives it trouble. This isn't a fatal weakness, but players who stay only one year don't give the Rater enough information to develop a reliable estimate ... especially ones who improve rapidly through their freshman season, as Derrick Rose did in his one season at Memphis. Rose still finished with a strong rating, but if we'd based it solely on the second half of his freshman season it would have been much higher.


• UCLA messes it up. For some reason, every Ben Howland product massively outperformed his estimate as a pro. This is over a period of seven years involving 13 NBA prospects, and all of them except Josh Shipp outperformed; many of them did so by wide margins. Given the consistency of the disparity, I included a "Howland" variable in this year's model. One can argue that this is a case overfitting the model to past results, so we'll see how it projects this year with Tyler Honeycutt and Malcolm Lee.

• It's way better with perimeter players. This is probably the biggest realization from looking at back data on the draft rater. Perimeter players with high ratings all become stars. All of them. The big guys? Not so much. Some of them have become superstars -- Love, Blake Griffin, Chris Bosh. Many others, however, have merely been decent players. A couple with fairly high ratings haven't been able to play at all.

I believe there are two reasons for this.

The first is off the court. Looking back, if I could tag the stats with additional variables like "doesn't like basketball," "space cadet" or "pothead," I could make the projection for big men considerably more accurate.

This isn't a factor for perimeter players because it's very difficult to have such glaring red flags and succeed as a wing or a point guard -- there are too many other people of the same size and too many skills required that can be developed with only a certain level of dedication.

For big men it's a different game, however, especially at the college level. The biggest and most athletic ones can dominate the glass and shoot 65 percent on dunks and layups without developing much of anything else in the way of basketball skills.

Second, I believe the stats translate better for perimeter players because it's very hard to get true one-on-one post-up chances at the college level, but this is a major part of the diet for most NBA big men -- especially the ones that are drafted in the lottery. So for perimeter players, the college stats are a much more apples-to-apples translation.

• It skews higher for big men. This, in retrospect, is not a "problem" as much as something to keep in mind. In any draft, most of the early picks are big men, and there's a good reason for this -- first because size is rare, and second because bigs in general have a greater disparity between good and bad.

Second, historically power forwards have had the easiest time racking up a solid PER, and most of the big men on the board on draft day are power forwards rather than centers. As a result, in any given season there will be more highly rated bigs than perimeter players.

So, to review, it ain't perfect. But we can still learn a ton from it. Let's take a look at this year's Rater and see what it says about the top college prospects:

Kyrie Irving is the one sure thing

If I had to put my money on one player in the draft becoming a star, it would be Kyrie Irving.

OK, no shock there.

But here's the logic -- Irving's rating of 15.12 is the best of any perimeter player. While he compiled that in just 312 minutes, his low minute total actually hurts him in the Draft Rater (minutes played are a positive indicator of future success). And he's in pretty exclusive company. The other perimeter players to post a rating of more than 15 all became stars -- since 2002, the six perimeter players to do so are Chris Paul, Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Durant, Dwyane Wade, Danny Granger and Rudy Gay. Based on those comparables, I like my chances if I'm Cleveland.

Top-rated point guards, 2002-2011
Player Rating
Chris Paul 15.28
Kyrie Irving 15.21
Jordan Farmar 14.80
Jrue Holiday 14.04
T.J. Ford 13.65
Jay Williams 13.38
Russell Westbrook 13.24
Mike Conley 13.07
Jameer Nelson 13.05
Derrick Rose 12.99
John Wall 12.89

Two more perimeter players to like

If I had to peg two other perimeter players that I would guarantee to at least become solid rotation players, it would be Kemba Walker and Kawhi Leonard. While this year's draft doesn't project to have a lot of star talent at the perimeter positions, Walker and Leonard are the two who rate above 12 -- which, historically, has been a guarantee of at least being decent.

Of the 13 point guards to rate above 12, the list includes Paul, Jordan Farmar, T.J. Ford, Jay Williams, Russell Westbrook, Mike Conley, Jameer Nelson, Derrick Rose, John Wall, Frank Williams, Ty Lawson, Ray Felton and Darren Collison. Jay Williams had a bad injury, of course, but of those 12 only Frank Williams couldn't play. The others were all decent-to-great, which means Walker, at 12.75, looks fairly bust-proof.

Similarly, of the 14 wings to rate better than 12, the list includes Durant, Wade, Anthony, Granger, Gay, Luol Deng, Josh Childress, Mike Dunleavy, Dajuan Wagner, Rashad McCants, Evan Turner, Delonte West, Caron Butler and Ben Gordon. Only Wagner and McCants failed, and each pretty clearly had NBA talent. So Leonard, at 13.21 with no injury or character red flags, looks like a very, very safe play.
Top 10 wings, 2002-2011
Player Rating
Kevin Durant 17.67
Dwyane Wade 17.05
Carmelo Anthony 16.63
Danny Granger 15.43
Rudy Gay 15.10
Luol Deng 14.46
Josh Childress 13.37
Kawhi Leonard 13.21
Mike Dunleavy 12.95
Dajuan Wagner 12.72

The mystery man

Tyler Honeycutt of UCLA is the player I'm most interested in watching in this draft (and this coming season). His rating of 12.56 rates him as a quality rotation player on the wing and a lottery pick.

However, much of his rating stems from the fact that he's a Howland product; eliminating that fact from the database knocked him down several pegs. Again, if we're guilty of overfitting the model to past results, he shouldn't be this high. He's projected to go late in the first round right now and could represent good value based on the overachieving history of other players from his school. Since I'm still apprehensive about the UCLA adjustment I have him 13th on my board.

Two Euros to watch

My Euroleague translations say two players in this year's draft, Jonas Valanciunas and Nikola Mirotic, would be rotation players immediately if they came to the States. Valanciunas rated higher, with a translated PER of 14.70 (albeit in limited minutes) compare to 13.66 for Mirotic. Of perhaps more importance is that Mirotic is contractually bound to stay in Europe for a few more years. He'd be a top-10 pick on my board if it weren't for that; as it is, I've dropped him behind all the players I consider relatively safe bets.
Translated PER from Euroleague games
Player Rating
Jonas Valanciunas 14.70
Giorgi Shermadini 14.63
Nikola Mirotic 13.66
Jan Vesely 10.72
Bojan Bogdanovic 10.40

The other top European prospect, Czech forward Jan Vesely, doesn't grade out nearly as well. His first-year PER translates to 10.72; while one supposes he would improve further from that point given his youth and athleticism, it still makes him somewhere south of a sure thing. I've listed him as a top-20 pick based on potential and the general weakness of this draft, but taking him in the top five or 10 would be a mistake.

Two other internationals who warrant mentioning are Giorgi Shermadini and Bojan Bogdanovic. Shermadini, a 7-footer from the Republic of Georgia, forecasts as a sleeper with a 14.63 translated PER; however, he played in just 249 minutes, so we should take that with a grain of salt. He's an intriguing second-round play nonetheless. Bogdanovic is a more traditional second-round hopeful -- probably not good enough to play in the NBA now, but maybe he improves on somebody else's dime over the next few years.

No numbers here

There are four international men of mystery in this draft who did not play in the Euroleague last season and thus have no translated stats for me to discuss: Bismack Biyombo, Enes Kanter, Donatas Motiejunas, and Davis Bertans.

Fortunately, I've seen all four at the Hoop Summit the past two seasons. Biyombo has scouts worried because he can't shoot at all, but he's a dominating defensive force in the paint; at the absolute worst he's going to be better than Ekpe Udoh. I slotted him 11th on my board, behind all the players the Draft Rater is really gung-ho about. He's going to be a rotation player based on defense and rebounding alone; the question is if he can finish enough plays at the basket to start.

Kanter is sort of the anti-Biyombo; He's not much of an athlete and will be suspect at the defensive end, but has such a high skill level offensively that he's going to score relatively easily. A good comparable might be fellow Turk Mehmet Okur, except Kanter is probably more skilled with the ball.

Motiejunas and Bertans are worthwhile choices later in the first round; each is high on skill but suspect in terms of strength and athleticism. An American who was last seen in Japan, Jeremy Tyler, falls into the same category.

Two point guards on the fence

Brandon Knight could go as high as the third pick, while Jimmer Fredette is also a likely lottery selection. Draft Rater is pretty lukewarm on both of them. Knight rates at 10.02 and Fredette rates at 10.45; unheralded Norris Cole of Cleveland State has a better rating than both. Each projects to have a career, but probably as a third guard or marginal starter.

Draft Rater top-rated perimeter players
Player Rating
Kyrie Irving 15.14
Kawhi Leonard 13.21
Kemba Walker 12.75
Tyler Honeycutt 12.56
Jordan Hamilton 11.90
Alec Burks 11.87
Klay Thompson 10.88
Norris Cole 10.85
Jimmer Fredette 10.45
Chris Singleton 10.15
Brandon Knight 10.02
Darius Morris 9.57
Brad Wanamaker 9.57
Reggie Jackson 9.45
Damian Saunders 9.20

In Knight's case, as a one-and-done we have to acknowledge that the system hasn't rated players like him as accurately, although it has done very well with guards as a whole. Fredette has a slightly better rating in a larger body of work.

Among point guards to rate between 10 and 11, the historical comps aren't great: One All-Star (Rajon Rondo), one really good player (Kyle Lowry), several halfway decent players (Luke Ridnour, D.J. Augustin, Jerryd Bayless, Mario Chalmers), and some end-of-bench filler (Darius Washington, Marcus Banks).

I moved Knight up to 12th on my board to reflect that his one-and-done status may result in his being undervalued; on sheer rating he'd be in the 20s. Fredette I've left at 19 ... two spots behind Cole.

Guards who don't make the cut

Probably the most suspect candidate, according to Draft Rater, is Marshon Brooks; his 7.88 rating was 27th among perimeter players. The Providence guard put up huge stats, but his average is hugely padded by two factors: First, the Friars played the fastest pace of any major Division I team; second, Brooks played nearly every minute of every game, averaging 36.5 per game -- remember, they play only 40 in college. Let all the air out and his numbers look a lot more ordinary -- his usage rate, which is his most alluring stat, ranks only ninth among prospects. Given his age (22 and five months) and his relative inefficiency, I'm not sure there's a ton to see here. Draft Rater sees him as a second rounder.

Kansas' Josh Selby rated even worse -- 7.69, 30th among perimeter players. I moved him up my board a bit to account for his one-and-done status, but his raw numbers were rather poor. In particular, a point guard with a -1.11 pure point rating should send talent evaluators shrieking. It was easily the worst of any point guard prospect, and worse than all but five wings as well.

The big man conundrum

As I noted above, the Draft Rater has been really solid on perimeter players. On interior players, the results have been a bit more scattered. The problem has been "false positives." It has picked out all the guys who could play; it has just picked out a lot of other guys a long with them.

Top rated bigs, 2002-2011
Player Rating
Kevin Love 20.78
Michael Beasley 18.36
Greg Oden 17.69
Tyrus Thomas 17.25
Blake Griffin 17.14
Andrew Bogut 16.90
DeMarcus Cousins 16.86
Michael Sweetney 16.70
Tristan Thompson 16.21
Curtis Borchardt 16.01
Derrick Williams 15.97
Greg Monroe 15.77
Jared Jeffries 15.65
Chris Bosh 15.57
Derrick Favors 15.51

For that reason, we want to tread a little more carefully with the frontcourt players. However, two players in particular warrant our attention: Tristan Thompson and Derrick Williams.

Thompson and Williams had the highest ratings of any player in the Draft Rater this year, and while that doesn't come with the same assurances it does for Kyrie Irving, they both appear to be very solid prospects. Of the 13 players who rated at 15.5 or above in previous iterations, most were very successful as pros, and the ones that weren't tended to fail due to injuries and lack of professionalism -- issues that shouldn't be factors for Thompson and Williams. The one true miss was Jared Jeffries.

The other strong frontcourt prospect is Tobias Harris of Tennessee with a rating of 14.83. Of the 19 big men to rate between 13.5 and 15.5, a few were dogs, but two became All-Stars (Al Horford and Carlos Boozer) and most became quality players.

Things start getting more iffy at the next level, where we get into the Jon Leuers and Nikola Vucevicses. Also included in that group is unheralded Greg Smith from Fresno State, who could end up as a second-round steal.

Draft Rater: Top-rated big men
Player Rating
Tristan Thompson 16.21
Derrick Williams 15.97
Tobias Harris 14.83
Jon Leuer 13.47
Nikola Vucevic 13.32
Greg Smith 12.93
Jordan Williams 11.87
Rick Jackson 11.65
JaJuan Johnson 11.54
Malcolm Thomas 11.29
Marcus Morris 10.93
Matt Howard 10.49
Trey Thompkins 10.44
Kenneth Faried 10.25
Jamie Skeen 10.17
Markieff Morris 10.03
Justin Harper 9.58

Big men who rated between 12 and 14, as those three did, have been a mixed bag: Nearly all had careers and some were very good, but several were career backups and a few were just flat-out bad. Of the 29, two became All-Stars (LaMarcus Aldridge and David West), and 15 of the 29 became top-eight rotation players.

Similarly, those who rated between 11 and 12 -- as Malcolm Thomas, Jordan Williams, Rick Jackson and JaJuan Johnson do -- were very much a mixed bag. The takeaway here is to put more credence on scouting reports with players in this range; I've done that on my draft board. Lacking strong evidence one way or the other in this range, we'll go with the subjective opinions.

At the back end, two players who rate surprisingly weak are Marcus and Markieff Morris of Kansas. Historically, big men who rate between 10 and 11 are career backups. Of the 23 who did so, only David Lee became a star; five others became top-eight rotation players, and the rest were bench filler or didn't make the league at all. Based on that information, they're late first- or early second-round selections. On my board, I have the Morrises ahead of the other players in the 10-12 range, but it's tough to justify putting them ahead of similarly rated perimeter players.

Summing it up

Which takes us to the final step -- my draft board. Based on all the information from Draft Rater, the projections of the Europeans, what I've seen in the past three Hoop Summits, and using the general consensus of draftniks as a tie-breaker with the close calls, here's how my board of the top 60 looks.

But first, if you're looking for the CliffsNotes version of my Draft Rater, here are the five big takeaways:

• Marshon Brooks, Josh Selby and the two Morrises appear overvalued.
• Brandon Knight, Jimmer Fredette and Jan Vesely are overvalued, but not as strongly.
• Kyrie Irving and Derrick Williams are, rightly, the top two players on the board.
• Tristan Thompson and Tobias Harris are undervalued.
• Jon Leuer, Norris Cole and Greg Smith are your sleepers.

And now, my top 60 heading into Wednesday:

My board

1. Kyrie Irving
2. Derrick Williams
3. Tristan Thompson
4. Jonas Valanciunas
5. Kawhi Leonard
6. Enes Kanter
7. Kemba Walker
8. Tobias Harris
9. Alec Burks
10. Jordan Hamilton
11. Bismack Biyombo
12. Brandon Knight
13. Tyler Honeycutt
14. Jon Leuer
15. Nikola Vucevic
16. Chris Singleton
17. Jan Vesely
18. Klay Thompson
19. Norris Cole
20. Iman Shumpert
21. Nikola Mirotic
22. Jimmer Fredette
23. Donatas Motiejunas
24. Greg Smith
25. Marcus Morris
26. JaJuan Johnson
27. Markieff Morris
28. Davis Bertans
29. Kenneth Faried
30. Jeremy Tyler
31. Jordan Williams
32. Bojan Bogdanovic
33. Darius Morris
34. Giorgi Shermadini
35. Reggie Jackson
36. Rick Jackson
37. Brad Wanamaker
38. Damian Saunders
39. Nolan Smith
40. Malcolm Thomas
41. Travis Leslie
42. Trey Thompkins
43. Malcolm Lee
44. Charles Jenkins
45. Cory Joseph
46. E'Twaun Moore
47. Josh Selby
48. Jacob Pullen
49. Justin Harper
50. Jimmy Butler
51. Matt Howard
52. Jamie Skeen
53. Jereme Richmond
54. Keith Benson
55. D.J. Kennedy
56. Marshon Brooks
57. Isaiah Thomas
58. Andrew Goudelouck
59. Lavoy Allen
60. Shelvin Mack
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Mensagem por Rafueiro » Ter Jun 21, 2011 7:17 pm

Re: Dr. Burnet, explique

Jon Leuer stealizando total
Los Luchadores de San José
Lance Stephenson
Jordan Crackson
Wesley Matthews
John Henson
Derrick Favors

Lou Williams - Kyle Korver -JR Smith - Nemanja Bjelica - Kris Humpfries
Tyus Jones - Joe Steal do Chadão Young - Mario Hezonja - Sergey Karasev - Robert Sacre
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Mensagem por custodio » Ter Jun 21, 2011 10:40 pm

Re: Dr. Burnet, explique

hollinger eh tao bom que por esses rating maroto dele farmar eh crack de bola.
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Re: Dr. Burnet, explique

Tales ? escreveu:Qto mais alto o PER, não significa mais craque o jogador.

Na verdade acho que faltou uma leitura atenta aí... hauhauhua
eh a velha coisa... se o resultado da formula for o que ele quer, aplica a formula. senao, aplica a formula + "contextos", "intangiveis", bla bla bla...
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Re: Dr. Burnet, explique

Tristan ficou alegre em ler isso.
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Mensagem por custodio » Ter Jun 21, 2011 11:04 pm

Re: Dr. Burnet, explique

Of the 13 point guards to rate above 12, the list includes Paul, Jordan Farmar, T.J. Ford, Jay Williams, Russell Westbrook, Mike Conley, Jameer Nelson, Derrick Rose, John Wall, Frank Williams, Ty Lawson, Ray Felton and Darren Collison. Jay Williams had a bad injury, of course, but of those 12 only Frank Williams couldn't play. The others were all decent-to-great, which means Walker, at 12.75, looks fairly bust-proof.
[quote]The others were all decent-to-great[/quote]

[quote]The others were all decent-to-great[/quote]
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Mensagem por burnet » Ter Jun 21, 2011 11:10 pm

Re: Dr. Burnet, explique

o shelvin mack tem o intangivel de ter ido a 2 finais da ncaa. será um bom backup com uns 20 minutinhos de jogo.
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Mensagem por burnet » Ter Jun 21, 2011 11:12 pm

Re: Dr. Burnet, explique

só adicionando, ele deveria levar em conta também a quantidade/qualidade dos jogos, porque tem neguinho que para na preliminar da conferencia depois da temporada inteira jogando na suburbana.
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Re: Dr. Burnet, explique

Tyler vai surpreender ai.
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Mensagem por What's Up, Doc? » Qui Jun 23, 2011 9:22 am

Re: Dr. Burnet, explique

decoo escreveu:Tyler vai surpreender ai.

Toda vez que eu alguem fala isso é bom lembrar "reserva do Robert Swift na segunda divisão japonesa".
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Mensagem por Deco » Sex Jun 24, 2011 12:33 am

Re: Dr. Burnet, explique

What's Up, Doc? escreveu:
decoo escreveu:Tyler vai surpreender ai.

Toda vez que eu alguem fala isso é bom lembrar "reserva do Robert Swift na segunda divisão japonesa".
Tyler Honeycutt :lol:
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